Probably opening a can of worms Rant
PinkWeeds
I’m just miffed. I was checking through the posts of blogs I follow today and came across one about being gay. I decided to read it only to discover it was a tirade against being gay. She quoted the usual Bible verses that are always and taken out of context and it was clear by her content that she actually didn’t read any of the chapters of verses that she posted, and that she knew nothing about the books in the Bible, who they were written by or why they were written in the first place. I find this arrogance bemusing.
I decided to respond by pointing out the very Bible verses she described, what they entailed as well as the surrounding verses which Christians disregard because it is “old testament”, Then more of her article caught my eye and I continued to read about what she thinks homosexuality is and why she thinks people believe they are homosexual and I found myself doubly miffed.
I wonder how it is that so many Christians believe that it is ok to point to a group of people who are easy targets and say “you are sinners” and then go on and list all the reasons why they are sinners. As if they themselves are not sinners and as if they do not also live in sin. I wonder how she would have felt if I had the opportunity to place her up in front of others and point out all her sins and where it says in the Bible that she is a sinner, (only if I did this I would have done my research properly and would have actually know what I was talking about).
What I found particularly interesting was that one of the chapters in the Bible she pointed out (the only one from the New Testament) was Ezekiel 16. It was clear she did not bother to read this chapter herself as it speaks nothing to homosexuality.
It was obvious she had googled things because this is what Ezekiel 16 said that would have been what she was referencing if she actually knew what she was referencing;
Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. Ezekiel 16:49
Ironic that Bible verse considering the content of the blog post.
After writing out a long response back, pointing out the flaws in her own arguments and explaining to her the original content of the chapters in the Bible she was referring to, I realized- there was no point to it because some people live their lives with blinders on. But I had to get the rant out so I came here.
Princess Pam-attitude
haha! that makes me feel good to know I'm not the only one who feels that way when I hear ignorant people talk about gays. I def do the same as you, try and tell them why they are being unreasonable and blah blah blah, and in the end I just have to realize that they are so set in their ways and closed minded that they wont even try to keep an open mind. makes me sad they have to live with all that hate in thier hearts.
Mary ;)
PinkWeeds, I'm sure there are a lot of gay people out there appreciating the fact that you're such a precious ally. I doubt the person you wrote to will change her mind, but at least you tried.
I share your view on being a "sinner". Whoever judges somebody in any way should be reminded of what Jesus himself said: "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". If we all thought about it before judging, Earth would indeed be a better place.
I'm right there with you, Pinkweeds. Every time some radical Christian crazy says something about how it's bad to be gay, I ask them why.
Gays are people, too. Homosexuality has been around as long as humankind itself! Even animals can display homosexual behavior.
And I don't see how gays are sinners. Aren't Catholics the ones who usually marry just to have 8 or 10 kids together, then decide they hate eachother and get divorced under the court of the GOOD LAWD?
I've never seen any homosexual couple I've ever known fight, hit each other, or yell like I've seen straight Christian couples do.
That all being said, I have no problem with the teachings of the bible. As Gandhi said, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians."
Lacey
I saw an awesome photo on pintrest.com that said on a chalkboard (i'm paraphrasing) "blame straight people for the gays, they keep having gay children".
I'm not trying to hate on Christians by any means. I realize that both Jews and Muslims also believe that being gay is a sin. However, I find it really funny that the only time homosexuality is called a sin in the Bible is in the Old Testament and when it comes to the Old Testament, most Christians disregard it because it wasn't Christ's teachings. And it does seem to me that the while Muslims simply don't even talk or admit to homosexual thoughts/feelings, Jews accept it as part of God's plan, Christians on the other hand are so vocal about how much they hate "the sin" of being gay. And I have Christian, Muslim and Jewish friends but it seems to me that my Christian friends are the ones who are quickest to start throwing stones at people for their differences. And then turn around and say it isn’t right to judge people. It’s very two-faced and it just angers me to no end.
The real difference is, I think, because Jews and Muslims attend school in which they learn about their religion and the teachings of their religion as well as the history, who wrote things, why things were written. They really understand their religion. Whereas most Christians see attending Bible school on Sunday’s as enough. But they don’t really learn anything about their own religion or its history that way.
Felecity W.
Speaking as a person who does not condone homosexual behavior, I do not believe the way most "Christians" react to homosexuality is right at all. Regardless of your personal values people deserve to be treated as such, and it seems that MOST Christians conveniently forget that the Bible also warns against judging other people.
Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD.
This verse also proves that no matter a person's sexual orientation they are loved by God, even if a person is a serial killer God still loves them.
Romans 5:85:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Although the Bible says homosexuality is a sin, it is not MORE sinful then say lying or stealing. I honestly believe that most Christians think they can justly attack homosexuals when the Bible, specifically says to "love thy neighbor", this includes the gay ones. I have Homosexual people in my personal family, and although I do not condone their behavior, they are still my family and I would NEVER throw stones at them.
Also just thought I would share these scripture which are in the NEW Testament regarding homosexuality:
I Timothy 1:10, Romans 1:26-27
Regardless of your personal beliefs I believe everyone deserves dignity and respect. I do not feel it is right to attack homosexuals, Christians, or people of different religions. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and lifestyle, even if you do not agree, it is not your place to judge or condone them. God, (and many other religions) tell us to love not hate.
Lacey, I saw that same thing... I got a good laugh, it was great.
Where I come from, Christians are the most judgmental people. I'm saying that as a fact, not as an opinion. It's 78 degrees outside, and they're really judgmental. I heard so much gossip as a kid going to church with my mom where the "Good Christians in the eyes of The Lord" would condemn people for going to a Catholic or Methodist church instead of a Lutheran one, they'd condemn people for wearing makeup that wasn't boring pink or taupe. They'd condemn people for being gay, having tattoos, having more than one piercing on each ear, and for having colored hair. Hell, they'd just about condemn someone for having too many freckles.
But that was the East Coast. Now I live in the Midwest and people seem to be much more accepting and liberal. Every Christian I've met in Minnesota so far has been polite and has never had a bad thing to say. Even when I walk into the Bible Store thrift shop with my chest tattoo and all my piercings showing, the people working there will strike up a conversation instead of trying to say that something I'm doing is sinful. Plus most that I've talked to on a more personal basis have been much more supportive of gays than those on the East Coast.
I suppose it has a lot to do with what region/state you live in, too.
I was friends with a guy at high school who's family were devoutly Christian. He was one of the loveliest people I've ever known and was very accepting of me being Wiccan. His parents were another story. They kicked him out when he told them he was gay. When I remember the horrible time he had, and how his parents disowned their own son simply because of who he decided to love it makes me so angry. I simply don't understand how some people can take a religion that at it's core is meant to be so good and pure and make it all about hate and intolerance. And don't even get my boyfriend started on this issue. He was brought up Catholic an had a number of gay friends, so is well versed in dealing with people with a "fire and brimstone" attitude to homosexuality.
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