war and conflict

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Lead

This is a holy part of the year for most cultures, and this is what is happening

The December 2008 Gaza Strip airstrikes, referred to as Operation Cast Lead (Hebrew: מבצע עופרת יצוקה‎) by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), is an Israeli air strike operation launched on December 27, 2008 at 11:30 am local time (9:30 am UTC)[4] against Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip. The massive offensive is in retaliation against near-daily Palestinian Qassam rocket and mortar fire on Israel's southern communities.[5][6] Israel began targeting dozens of buildings belonging to the ruling Hamas militant group. By the first evening, the Israeli Air Force deployed approximately 100 bombs, with an estimated 95 percent reaching their intended targets,[7] and destroyed most Hamas bases in 4 minutes.[8] Palestinian medical sources reported at least 230 Palestinians dead and about 780 wounded.[9][7] Most of the casualties were Hamas operatives.[7][10]

Can we ever have peace?

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12 replies since 28th December 2008 • Last reply 28th December 2008

UNREST IN GREECE
The 2008 civil unrest in Greece started on 6 December 2008, when Alexandros Grigoropoulos (Greek: Αλέξανδρος Γρηγορόπουλος), a 15-year-old student, was mortally shot by Epaminondas Korkoneas, a policeman. The shooting occured after an altercation between a police patrol and a small group of youths in the Exarcheia district of central Athens.[1] As of 25 December 2008 the unrest and activity are ongoing.
The death of Grigoropoulos resulted in large demonstrations, which escalated to widespread rioting, with hundreds of rioters damaging property and engaging riot police with Molotov cocktails. Demonstrations and rioting later spread to several other cities, including Thessaloniki, the country's second-largest city. Outside Greece, solidarity demonstrations, riots and, in some cases, clashes with local police also took place in a number of European cities including Istanbul, London, Paris, Rome, Berlin, Frankfurt, Madrid, Barcelona, Copenhagen, Bordeaux, Seville as well as Nicosia, the capital of Cyprus, and the western Cypriot city of Paphos.[2] Newspaper Kathimerini called the rioting "the worst Greece has seen since the restoration of democracy in 1974"

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I don't know what to say really, i don't think it's ever gonna be peaceful, even just in our own towns, there's different degrees of this crap everywhere

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I still think it's funny how the Middle East, which is supposed to be this really holy place where Jesus was born and it's the religion Jesus created that people celebrate at this time of year, is the centre for most of the world's conflict and violence.
I don't agree with war on the whole, there's usually better ways to solve things but people are too quick to just go "Let's blow them up and get them out of the way". And I agree with what Queen says, there's different degrees of stupid violence everywhere you go.

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there are, I really wish we could all get along

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I think in the Middle East and Africa, when violence breaks out, it's because of desperation. Wars, poverty, no food or water, disease, corrupt governments. And in Africa these groups get away with being so evil because there's no one to stop them and some of these groups are made up of generations that have been taught/brainwashed from a very young age to kill. It's really sad Happy

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Izzy...with the middle east it's a war over religious power USUALLY...it's one side that believes in something else...and so forth...it's pretty pointless...but it exists

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I wonder if Israel and Palestinian will ever agree, there's not actual line that sepearates them, they'll never work it out!

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well you see it used to be all Palestine, but after the War they decided to give a peice of land to the displaced jewish people. They did this without consulting the other nations, which of course started it all off. The Israelies want more land and the Palestines want theirs back.

Egypt is still upset over the Gaza conflict, Lebon is still trying to get over its civil war and the Israel border infringment with caused a small conflict and huge displacement of people and destruction of land.

Jordan is up in arms over all of this.

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KT - yeah that's what I meant, it's funny how religion is supposed to help people become better and more good instead of evil, but the fact that there's war over religion (in my way of thinking anyway) just makes the whole idea of religion seem even more hypocritical.

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michelle - *in a small voice* yeh i know that....I always get confused as to which country it is that wants 'its' land back.

speaking of religion, have you heard this about women bishops!? it could take 5 years until they are allowed to be bishops which is a fucking joke and disgrace. It's discrimination, it's illegal, but they get away with it when other countries allow women to be bishops and have done for about 20 years!

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I know! Because all the people with high power are old men who are so stuck in their ways they refuse to change anything.
Just another reason why I don't like religion Tongue

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thats crazy, isn't it

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